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Goa: The Lusitanian connection -1

Oh Anjediva!

One of the oldest Catholic Churches in India to be out of bounds to the faithful

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 Goan Liberation

 

Are Goans truly liberated?[read more] June 18, 2001

- a TGF editorial

 

THE BIG LET DOWN - a TGF editorial
June 18, 2001

After the general relief that the Salazar era had come to an end, reports began to trickle out of Looting of Goan shops and Raping of Goan women. [read more]

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Professor Sanjay Subramanyam June 1997  No solutions for people who have not 'grown up' beyond silly nationalistic reactions. In fact the Portuguese Crown had rather a lot in common with the RSS and VHP.[the Rediff interview]

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Um Pensamento.

A Pátria não consiste na terra física e material onde se nasce, mas sim nas traduções da família, nas reminiscências da infância, na herdade dos avos, enfim nessa infinidade de amores.- Francisco Luís Gomes.

A Thought

The land of one's birth isn't one's Nation, but certainly it lies in the family images that one carries in one's mind, in the early reminiscences of one's youth, in the heredity of one's grandparents, and indeed, it lies in all these infinite bonds of love. (translation by Lino Leitão) July 31, 2002

 

GOA was to be a NATO base !
Harbans Singh:  Mar 19, 2002

The real reason behind decision to liberate Goa perhaps was the intended move of the Portuguese to convert Goa into a NATO Base.  [read more]

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It was only a show of strength!

Gabriel de Figueiredo: Mar 21, 2002

So it appears that the "Operation Vijay" was all a show and a trial of strength, rather than "liberation".  Remember the blockade imposed by Nehru in 1954? India closed the borders and severed all communication (including telephonic and telegraphic) with Goa, Damão & Diu. [read more]

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Dual Citizenship!
Harbans Singh: April 1, 2002

Yes! You can have your Dabolim airport free of the Navy ( I wonder if you ever raised such a demand to free it from the Portuguese?)

The Goans are very much Indian citizens like any other Indian. Some of them might also be citizens of other nationalities by birth or by domicile. Heard of the concept of “Dual Citizenship”?  [read more]

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Were Goans ever given a choice? NO!
Gabriel de Figueiredo: Apr 15, 2002

Dabolim was a civilian airport ever since its inception, up to 19 Dec1961. It, was built by the Portuguese to break the economic blockade imposed on Goa by India, in the early '50s. Were Goans given a choice in the matter? No! [read more]

Churchill Alemao, MP writes to Indian Govt about Dabolim [ read text of letter ]

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Goans wanted autonomy!
Lino Leitao: Apr 15, 2002

There were Goan intellectuals within and outside of Goa who wanted to secure first an autonomous status for Goa.  [read more]

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Nehru acted for the best
Harbans Singh:  Apr 20, 2002

What was un-natural (and it still is!) is that the Portuguese should consider their ex-colonies as part of their own country. Goans, on their own free will have adopted the Indian Constitution and sworn allegiance to it. [read more]

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At least Goans look like Indians!
Nitin Singh : Apr 21, 2002

Please do not short change the Indian culture. Goan culture also was part of the Indian culture before the arrival of the Portuguese. [read more]

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So then, WHY.....the nagging debate?
José Colaço : May 3, 2002

Dual citizenship is a sham. No one person can truly be a citizen of two countries. It is worth understanding why an economically stable Goan would opt to give up Indian Nationality and return to Portuguese. [read more]

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Why the Debate - a response to JC
Harbans Singh: May 11, 2002

Goa had always been a part of India. It is only after the Portuguese occupation a few centuries ago that it came to be considered otherwise. [read more]

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Why the Debate 2 - a response to Harbans
TGF: May 13, 2002

Goans must be made to feel as equal members of the Indian family. No appropriately qualified & experienced Goan should be shunted into some subordinate post with a non Goan brought in to LORD over the Goan. [read more]

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TGF! refrain from summarily rejecting any points of view ! [article]*
Harbans Singh: May 23, 2002

If a forum portrays itself to be representative of all Goan points of view, then it has to take in all shades of opinions expressed by all participants. It should refrain from summarily rejecting any points of view on any aspect.

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Is Goa Liberated?
Livia de Abreu Noronha: May 24, 2002

"One man's meat is another man's poison", and therefore to some Goa is liberated and to others it is still in bondage. [read article]

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General Vassalo e Silva, the last Portuguese Governor of Goa. He worked hard for the development of Goa, resisted Salazar's orders, saved Goa from destruction, and suffered as a result.  Are Goans being told anything about him? June 4, 2002  [read]

 

 

The 1975 Treaty between Portugal and India

Since the 1975 reproachment Portugal has afforded India significant assistance with regards to access to the European Economic Community.

TGF supports this 1975 treaty between Portugal and India.

More can be gained by being friends, and more lost by continued animosity [more]

The so called Liberation of Goa
Imran Farooqui: May 11, 2002

Only a Goan can gauge as to what he has won or lost since the so called Liberation. [read more]

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TGF! Why do you disagree with my views?
Imran Farooqui: May 15, 2002

Ever since the so called Liberation, Goa has achieved nothing but economic decline. [read more]

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Why TGF disagrees with some of Imran's views. TGF May 16, 2002

To say that Goa has achieved nothing but economic decline since 1961 is not only incorrect but also patently prejudicial .[read more]

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I disagree with Imran's viewpoint .
Nitin Singh: May 16, 2002

Instead of wishing that “Goa could have basked in the Portuguese glory” it is time that we Goans stand on our own feet and create a “glory” all our own. [read more]

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TGF's post has fallacies
Nitin Singh: May 21, 2002

Did I actually read “communal harmony” as one of the credits of the Portuguese rule?

What I fail to understand is what is SO insulting about the word “Goanese”.   Is it really THAT offensive?  I am hoping TGF can shed some light on this. [read ]

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Sometimes, it helps to read carefully!
TGF: May 22, 2002 [TGF's response]

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Goans in need of a quantum shift
S.Badwal 23 May 2002

If the development & well being of Goa and Goans is at the very heart of some people, then let them preach hard work sacrifice and foresight rather than otherwise. Development & success need a lot of hard work and relaxed life can not be expected & enjoyed all the times. [article]*

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Even if Mr. Prabhudesai “doesn’t miss an opportunity to slam the Portuguese”... [article]*
Nitin Singh: May 24, 2002

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Ineffective Indian blockade of Goa, Hippies and a communal harmony that came into being [article]*
Nitin Singh: May 25, 2002

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Nitin Singh's limp defence of India and his myopic vision of Goa. [article]

Please never compare the Marwaris, Malabaris and Madrasis with the Goans. The entire world is aware of the difference. There is a beautiful Portuguese term for a Goan. Please, avoid being influenced by pseudo-intellectuals.
Imran Farooqui
Dubai - UAE, June 3, 2002

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My turn now, Mr. Farooqui! [read more]*

So, you have decided that I am NOT a Goan just based on my name!  Going by your name do I conclude that you are a Pakistani?
Nitin Singh: June 24, 2002

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Nitin Singh's convenient and selective quotes!  [read more]

Try to put things in perspective and don't distort historical facts to suit your way of thinking? Gabriel Figuereido:July 4, 2002

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Even diehard Goan critics of Portugal have become turn coats, applying to reclaim their Portuguese Nationality  [read more]

To those who glorified the Indians for the liberation of Goa, I ask: - What is happening to our Goa now?   Paulo Colaço-Dias July 4, 2002

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The blindest are the ones who refuse to see. Livia de Abreu Noronha July 5, 2002

Portugal has had enough of bashing. Besides, it may not be possible for non-Goan Indians to truly understand our unique identity. [article]

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Freedom Fighters or bandits?

Terrorist actions promoted and assisted by the Indian Union in Goa, Damão and Diu between 1954 and 1961; the Indian Union which hoisted itself to be a pacifist and democratic country did not behave as one [ read article]*
Francisco Monteiro
June 8, 2002

 

*indicates:  TGF comment added at foot of  article

 

 

 

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